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08 nov 08 - Finding The Freedom We Never Lost

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Finding What Was Never Lost

J: Hi Charlie, There was a recent shock in this mind-body organism as it was discovered that there is not the unborn and the born as two things.

C: Shocking indeed! But -- to whom?

J: Is it true that the unborn is also consciousness at play?

C: Conceptually, sure. Consciousness at rest, Consciousness in motion, are NOT TWO. Consciousness or Beingness IS all there is.

But the concept ain’t the reality of This Nondual Isness. Now: What is That which asks and what is That which answers? BOTH are only appearances in what is Real -- YOU are That in which question and questioner appears. So in this, there is no “truth” -- and all there IS is "truth'. Not Two

Q: It has been a pointer to see that there is an infinite context and then there is whatever is being experienced as the finite.

C: Finite and infinite are both this -- and neither is this. So – that is still linguistically just conceptual dualism. AKA bullshit, not to put too fine a point on it! You see, “Context” and “Content” are NOT Two. And in any case BOTH are merely concepts! This that is pointed to is that Understanding beyond concepts and THAT is the not-conceptual-natural-understanding that belongs to No One.

J: What got knocked out was the perception that the unborn is emoting a play of form and function. This statement now seems separate. The unborn and the dream are "not-two."

C: So that IS cool! And, Not-Two, of course! But caution that the concept is NOT the actuality! So that is all okay so far as “language" goes, but THIS is prior to language -- it's sensed "here" that this is seen "there" by no-one, yes? But all this is just bubbles of Being - an appearance in (or as) what you are -- This Empty Presence. Yes? In any event it does sound like there was/is a sense of this timelessness  – I describe this as a “dying before you die” to paraphrase the sage Bankei. Yes? But again for whom? :-)

J: It was in the context of reading some Ramesh [Balsekar]. There was also something said by him that spoke to that -- there is only pure functioning.

C: Yes. This is (as a pointer)  the “functioning of Totality” but the concept is NOT what is pointed to by Ramesh, or this appearance, or any so called “other” in the guise of “teacher”. Or “friend”. By the way, utterly irrelevantly, “I” do adore the appearance called “Ramesh”!

J: If this shift is one of truth then what else can be said about this?

C: Absolutely nothing. There is NO “truth” in THIS. Because “truth” is concept and THIS so-called “shift”, which happens outside of time and to no-one, is Beyond Concept. That said, well -- welcome to the Home you never left!

Mind you, this can be a very common “experience” and the warning here is do not take ANY “experience” to be the Reality of what is pointed to. This is beyond concept and beyond experience. What does that leave? Nothing. Just That. That, No Thing, yet appearing as Every apparent Thing -- THAT Thou Art!

So finally look into this, and ponder: “Francis Crick - Nobel Prize recipient in medicine for deciphering the DNA code said, ‘You, your joys, sorrows, memories, ambitions, your sense of identity, free will and love are no more then behaviors of a vast assembly of nerve cells’.’’ – And, “Anything that appears in the manifested reality - whether it appears as a thought, mind, body, other, no-one, – anything, nothing - is, in the final understanding, just appearance in a non-conceptual awareness”. ~ John Greven

So: Where is the doer in this? There is NO shift, NO awakening, NO realization., NO “truth”. All there is -- is all there is.

That. Only That.

J: I have fully understood that I have always been the awareness behind the world, and it (the world) has never touched the real me.

C: Not true. This Infinity of Being (or Awareness, sometimes used as a synonym for Being) has never been absent. Try to escape Being! Cannot be done. The point is, this – Being – is BOTH Silence and Sound, Stillness and Movement, awareness and content OF awareness. Being is BOTH this empty background “behind the world” AND the appearing “world” of forms and time, locations and apparent persons, trees, cars, bombs, presidents and peasants. All there IS is One, Being everything. Note well that one word: Everything. In short the “real me” IS BOTH “the world” and the “awareness behind the world”. Advaita: It points to This One-NOT-TWO-Ness of ALL of this! Nothing appearing as everything; one essence Being both no thing and every thing and all that arises as this "manifestation of essence" "between". Being nothing, wisdom; being everything, love. NOT two.

J: However I go back and forth between feeling like the absolute and feeling my humaness instead of just being the witness of it.

C: Again that is just not true. And if you seek a "feeling of absoluteness" you will forever fail! "Absolute” and "Relative are simply two apparent aspects (or linguistic labels devoid of any actual substance) of this One Ocean of Beingness! So seeking to get and hold that is a fools errand. Who is separate to seek? Do you find a separate I-person apart from Being-Awareness-Aliveness??

You as Being don’t move and change yet all that changes appears not only IN that timeless space but is also arising presently AS the “manifest aspect” OF that timeless space. It is NON duality – meaning, NOT two. Or, One-Without—Second. It cannot be attained. It cannot be lost!

J: How do I stabilize as the ultimate witness?

C: “You” do not exist apart from totality, the One. Look for a separate "me" and you find only what is Real: Nothing/Everything. So where is any question of stabilizing? This idea of “witness” also assumes something to be witnessed by a witnesser and seems to favor the witness over the totality. That is pure dualistic nonsense.  What assumes it is separate and a witness is only arising in words, language, and these sounds we call words cannot actually divide anything! Another way to see this is, if there is indeed ONLY ONE, then even these words and ideas and assumptions are ALSO that One. You simply cannot separate yourself from Everything. Who is it that assumes it is separate and asks this? Look and see if there really IS a “separate one” and then ask yourself, how can an assumed entity which is nothing but a temporal appearance of a thought either divide from totality OR stabilize as totality?

What we point out here is that EVERYTHING IS THAT. All there is, is Being. Being seemingly separated and being seemingly whole. Being all experiencing and all surmising and imagining and speculating and opining. There is ONLY Being and THAT is what is always so, eternally Real. In that there is no “me” and yet you are, knowing I AM.

J: You have my deepest appreciation and respect, thanks for all your help.

C: Firstly, you are of course very welcome. But secondly: No one needs help to be this Totality of Being. All these ideas of helper and helpee are false assumptions of separate entities that on investigation simply cannot be found to exist apart from Being. All there is is Being and That is what is. Now paradoxically even these false assumptions are also Being, appearing as the seemingly separate subject and object. But do understand at the deepest level that nothing is actually separated and that language is simply telling itself lies! (Of course that "understanding" is a direct NON-conceptual knowingness that is already fully known and this belongs to NO ONE.) In summary: There is simply nothing to get – there is ONLY Being, being even this! There is no real “person”, no “individual” anywhere anywhen. The undivided Whole cannot be split apart. Full Stop. regardless of how many assert that there is separation. Repeating a false assertion cannot ever make it true. Assert the earth is flat. Does that make it true? Assert I am me and separated from others and this world. Does that make it true? NO!

Again, Full Stop.

Ponder this: “There is no deepening of what you are. Your nature is full and complete as is. All bondage and confusion is caused by concepts of being something other than you are and granting belief to those notions. Reality, or your fundamental identity, is not a matter or approach, time or development. That is the beauty of it. It is not becoming, but being what you are”. (From John Wheeler).

And this: Timeless Loving Oneness Cannot Be Known. To “know” Oneness there would have to be a sense of separation FROM Oneness. Who cannot see the fault in that logic?

You may like to engage in a phone chat about this. Details regarding that are on the consultations page.

J: (After a phone consultation) It occurred to "me" that I ....whoever .....I was, am dreaming up a Charlie, to wake up a Jeremy, neither of which really exists separate from the whole of Beingness. If Jeremy has no free will neither does Charlie because in truth neither one exists! There is just THIS. The mind makes it far too complicated. When it is understood that nothing has any free will everything is accepted, because it is in truth one anyway, that does bring peace, there is nothing to do, plan or try to prevent its all just happening.

C: Excellent news! Now just "stay put". Love ya.

J: Everything is really evening out! I owe you the credit for the final push, although on a deeper level there is total understanding that "you" did not do anything and "I" had nothing to understand because neither one of us exists!! That does bring deep peace, who is there to feel guilty, judge people, hold grudges, worry about wrong decisions yada yada yada, when there are NO PEOPLE doing anything, no decisions have ever been made on any level and no mistakes, accidents, tragedies, etc, EVER because WHO WOULD THEY HAVE HAPPENED TO? Everything is a divinely orchestrated masterpiece dancing to infinitely perfect intelligence, we (whatever that means) THE AUDIENCE OF NONE simply watch it all unfold NOW

MAGIC!!!!!!!

C: Thanks for this great good news!

As John Wheeler says, “Settle in with the awareness-presence, and whatever its characteristics are, naturally become evident. That is already present, but overlooked. Just as being and awareness are ever-present but often not recognized, so is the non-suffering and unchanging freedom of your ever-present true self. I can only point; it is up to you to see it for yourself”.

All any “expression” of this can do is point. You did the looking and now the fruits are here. Congratulations! Love ya.

J: THE INEFFABLE! THIS IS REALLY INDESCRIBABLE, ONCE THE IDEA OF BEING A PERSON IN THE WORLD IS LOST, LIFE FUCKIN ROCKS!

I FEEL LIKE A CHILD RUNNING AND PLAYING WITH MY KIDS LIKE NEVER BEFORE, PERFORMING TASKS BETTER THAN EVER YET KNOWING THERE IS NO ME DOING ANY OF IT! YOU REALLY CAN NEVER KNOW WHAT’S NEXT, WHAT COULD BE MORE EXCITING! YET THROUGH IT ALL AN UNDERTONE OF WITNESSING AWARENESS CONTINUES AS THE ROCK SOLID BACKGROUND, YET IT IS CLEAR THESE ARE NOT TWO! WHAT A PERFECT BEAUTIFUL DREAM. THIS REALLY CANNOT BE DESCRIBED YET THERE WAS A STIRRING TO SEND YOU THIS EMAIL! GO FIGURE!

THANKS, LOVE, J.

C: Sometimes it gets so profound YOU CAN’T HELP BUT SHOUT (ALL CAPS!) That's awesome. Welcome HOME.

Love,

You, called “charlie”.

J: IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS IS A DREAM, BUT NOT A WRETCHED MISTAKE LIKE A LOT OF THE ANCIENTS MADE IT SOUND, THIS IS ONENESS EXPLORING ITSELF TO WAKE ITSELF UP TO ITSELF. THE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING COMPLETELY FALLS AWAY WHEN IT IS SEEN THAT THERE ALREADY IS AN ULTIMATE INTELLIGENCE RUNNING EVERYTHING AND EVERY APPARENT PERSON IS EXACTLY WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ACCORDING TO THIS UNKNOWABLE INTELLIGENCE, THAT KNOWING BRINGS CONTINUAL UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE AND LOVE OF WHAT IS.

C: Well said! Enjoy The Now as it is… loving being itself.

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“There is no greater mystery than this: Being Reality ourselves, we seek to gain Reality”. – Sri Ramana Maharshi

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