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Can A Thought “See” No Thing?

Q: I am reading your latest book and looked you up on YouTube.  The pseudo I has a seeing of what never changes, yet is it ephemeral at this point.  Help!  Now this being sees it, now it doesn't.  Much suffering. 

C: The "pseudo I" does NOT "see what never changes". How can a thought - which is all that an "I" IS - see NO thing? You say “this being” sees it. NO ONE SEES IT. There IS no IT to see!

What never changes is that IN which the "I" thought arises and is taken to be "me" – “this being” you still claim as your identity is only a thought with no actual substance! - and all suffering is a result of that identifying yourself as the thought and THAT is where investigation is needed. You say "much suffering". for WHO? You say seeing is ephemeral. It is that identity which is ephemeral and ONLY a phantom appearing in the Space of this No Thing that you are. THAT is what never changes while all that changes flows constantly changing and never the same moment to moment! Who are YOU? YOU are THAT IN which questioner and questions, claims and assertions, stories and storyteller, APPEARS.

Stay with the basics:

1. YOU are Awareness, simply being. No one can say they do not exist. That existence, the constant ever-fresh sense of "I" as in "I Am" (NOT the thought!)  is undeniable and inescapable. Try to NOT BE. Cannot be done. So the simple pointer is, what you are is That Presence of Awareness... Being. Just That! This True You ... BE-ING... is POINTED TO in language with concepts like Impersonal Consciousness; Awareness, Being, God, Love ... and YOU are THAT, prior to the mind's translation into the thought I Am and I am this or that.

2. You are NOT an "individual." There are NO "individuals" anywhere except in unreal stories. The idea of a separate person is a fiction, a mind-construction, a house of cards, and it is only a story that tries to say, “I’m ME! (Unsuccessfully!) This idea of a "me" is ... on investigation ... seen to be a false claim by a brain - thinking machinery - to its own separate existence. This ever-changing idea of a person is simply unreal. WHO says "I'm Me?" The mind. To be blunt, it's bullshit. The whole fabricated story of me is pure bullshit: all stories of “individuals” is actually a fiction. As Shakespeare said, it’s a tale told by an idiot, filled with sound and fury, signifying … NOTHING.

3. Let all thoughts drop into the Nothing from where they bubbled up, except Who Am I?  Do not relent, but do not try or force.  Honestly and gently ask. You can't force this Divine Grace, The Love You are. That (The Real YOU) is more Real than that idea called "you" or "us" is, so allow That Love to do the job as That will. Relax and ask. No answers only ask. Am I? WHO Am I?

I Love You. 

A few more pointers to ponder:

“Get back to basics with this stuff. Do you know what your true nature is? You obviously exist. So is it clear what you are? If this is not clear, any amount of other pursuits will only be temporary palliatives that may sooth the symptoms of seeking, suffering and doubt. But since the resolution is only temporary, those things will return again. The resolution lies in clear self-knowledge, that is, knowing what you are without any doubts. This has nothing to do with any teaching, path or practice, but getting down to brass tacks and answering the question, "What am I?", not in terms of concepts or mental assertions, but in direct experience for yourself. What progress have you made in this essential, core pursuit? Is what you are clear at this point? Yes or no?" - John Wheeler

"Give up all questions except one: ‘Who am I?’ After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are. The ‘I am’ is certain. The ‘I am this’ is not. Struggle to find out what you are in reality. To know what you are, you must first investigate and know what you are not".

"Refuse all thoughts except one: the thought 'I am'. The mind will rebel in the beginning, but with patience and perseverance it will yield and keep quiet. Once you are quiet, things will begin to happen spontaneously and quite naturally without any interference on your part." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

"We are That, 'That' meaning the seeming place in awareness where awareness shines out. But in ignorance of the true nature, That we are, that seeming place in awareness is called me or I". - 'Sailor' Bob Adamson

Ponder all this and look where the pointers are pointing. Stay in touch if you like and at some point perhaps you'll find a consultation by phone to be what the Oneness moves that appearance to engage in.


"Now I know nothing, for all knowledge is in dream only and not valid. I know myself and I find no life nor death in me, only pure being, not being this or that, but just being". ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj


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